ς) or Argos (Ancient Greek: Ἄργος) is a many-eyed giant in Greek mythology. Don't think of the coast of the Mediterranean as being aquamarine, journey further into the sea under stormy weather and then see if it's brilliant blue!). For example, is chloros a green, or is "plant colored?" Sometimes the sky is so deep, so intense that "blue" just doesn't suffice. Submitted by Serendip Visitor (guest) on Tue, 12/18/2012 - 4:52pm. The Wine dark sea is not translation but rather a traditional gloss of oinops - a compound of wine and face/expression. Homer developed an eye infection which was treated successfully but later returned, rendering him blind. Like other materials on. Color usage customs can be misunderstood when viewed from a different cultural frame of reference resulting in an incorrect interpretation of the meaning. Even in English, green and grow are from the same root word (in accordance with J. Pokorny and his PIE linquistic theory) which imply a young growing plant or shoot/shrub, so too the ancient Greeks applied their colour terms. why would the Greeks call them this if they too hailed from a Nordic substratum... funny don't you think?). leukos = white, pelios = grey His kids got his blue eyes and blonde hair from me. Kids never listen. and simply used the words they did have as a description of the spirit of the objects they were trying to give color too; in other words, they used the same color for blood, tree sap and the ocean-- they all had something to do with life. Submitted by Oinops (guest) on Tue, 02/24/2015 - 10:46am. chyrsos = golden It is important to remember to move beyond ethnocentricity. Submitted by Don Arthur Torgersen (guest) on Fri, 06/19/2015 - 9:10pm. A quick read through Liddle and Scott will show a plethora of colour terms or colour associated terms in ancient Greek, and just like chloros is yellow-green, there is prasinos = green from prason = leek (the vegetable). In reality the ancient Greeks could see all the colors (blue, purple, brown, etc) but did not have words for them (I believe that color word progression moves something like white, black, red, yellow/green, blue and brown.) Submitted by Serendip Visitor (guest) on Tue, 01/21/2014 - 5:40am. Orion's Family and Role According to the oldest version, he was the son of the god Poseidon and Euryale, daughter of King Minos of Crete.Thanks to his father, Orion had the ability to walk on water, which is how he reached the island of Chios. Submitted by Serendip visiting (guest) on Tue, 11/29/2011 - 10:27am. Just because a language has different words doesn't mean it's wrong. For a lot of researchers, they will bring out a "color chart" and ask Native speakers what these colors are called in their language. To claim that the Western system of color identification is "correct" and that therefore Homer must have been colorblind is ethnocentrism of the worst kind, because the author does not recognize that other cultures may have other color-naming systems. In Sahaptin, we distinguish between objects that are animate or inanimate. Submitted by Serendip Visitor (guest) on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 6:57am. ), Alignment of Activities with Next Generation Science Standards, Understanding and Predicting Changes in Population Size – Exponential and Logistic Population Growth Models vs. Complex Reality, Meiosis and Fertilization – Understanding How Genes Are Inherited, Mitosis and the Cell Cycle - How a Single Cell Develops into the Trillions of Cells in a Human Body, This paper reflects the research and thoughts of a student at the time the paper was written for a course at Bryn Mawr College. blue eyes is determined by a single gene, with the allele for blue eyes recessive to the allele for non-blue eyes (green, brown, or hazel). children and I had to beat him silly and back into reality. the person who decided that the ancient Greeks were not as developed in sight was altogether an amateur philologist and the then Prime Minister of England in 1858, Gladstone, who posited that the paucity of colour terms in Homeric Greek must equate to them being colour blind. Why is that? The mycenaean painted statues tell otherwise ofcourse but let's ignore those shall we and oh those frescoes with the painted dark black hair with curls... well they certainly weren't martians now were they?). Consider 'blue', for instance: in quite a number of languages from its root came adjectives which nowadays can mean just about any colour, from black to yellow. kokkinos = scarlet (SIC) by Fallmeyer?! Unless you're of European ancestry, you don't have much of a chance of inheriting this rare hue. The Bible's Book of Job also describes the sky as 'strong as molten bronze'; this is often used to 'prove' that Biblical authors thought the sky was a solid roof, but comparing it to a liquid substance seems a poor way to imply that - the metaphor is clearly the heat and brightness of a desert sky. One of my children has some sort of color blindness. (Better choice that of the guy who has read the Liddle-Scott!!) So, perhaps it is a true description the way the sea looks near the Greek islands under certain light condition? there are still languages today that don't have words for the colors blue and brown. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=blue. Could that be the case in greek? Antiochus of Syracuse who writes: "those of the Lacedaemonians who did not take part in the expedition were adjudged slaves and were named helots". Submitted by ty nolan (guest) on Sun, 07/29/2012 - 7:07pm. In the myth, Cupid’s mother Aphrodite, jealous of the beauty of a mortal girl called Psyche, instructs her son to make Psyche fall in love with an ugly man. I've heard Koreans say deoxygenised blood is black. But, just the same, there are languages that have two words for the color blue (Russian) and some that don't have a big distinction between green and blue (Thai, until recently). Groening was using artistic license in giving his Simpsons characters yellow skin and blue hair. The only Goddess in ancient Greek myth with blue eyes was Athena (described as glaukopis = which no doubt is dubious due to its' double entendre meaning, that which is … ... Women with steel blue eyes are sexually dominant; Grey eyed people are just weird; GREY EYES POLL . Myth: The violet, which grows low to the ground and has small purple or white flowers, appeared in an ancient Near Eastern myth that probably inspired the Greek and Roman myth of Venus and Adonis. But I digress, the point is, colour perception and colour naming are very different things (the two may not be mutually exclusive, but they are perceptually and qualitatively different between languages). By the way, I'm colour blind, so for all I care it could be a colour out of space. This eye's main purpose isn't really an aesthetic one, but to ward off the effects of the evil eye. Thank you for your comment about American Indian languages. If we think of Chloros as "a range of colours which plants may be", it would seem to describe a nightingale, wood, straw and honey reasonably well. To prevent automated spam submissions leave this field empty. Because of such association, the bird—often referred to as the "owl of Athena" or the "owl of Minerva"—has been used as a symbol of knowledge, wisdom, perspicacity and erudition throughout the Western world. The Greek … The only Goddess in ancient Greek myth with blue eyes was Athena (described as glaukopis = which no doubt is dubious due to its' double entendre meaning, that which is both bright/blue eyed and owl eyed/faced). The evil eye was a common theme in Ancient Greek literature. Actually Nordic types is anachronistic. This sapphire or cobalt blue is the classic interpretation, but over the years many other colors have come to symbolize different meanings. :D. Color for the Greeks and many other cultures has the possibility of being a description of the color itself, a symbolic reference, or a double entendre of the two. It was unusual enough to be remarked upon when it occurred, hence Helen's of Troy being remembered as a blonde. Submitted by lulipenna (guest) on Thu, 05/14/2009 - 12:32am. We lack a Native word for the color purple, and consider it a shade of blue. I think the evolutionary theory is quite a stretch since it wasn't that long ago. The most common greek mythology eye material is metal. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. Fellow, I agree with you! Submitted by Jim (guest) on Wed, 10/28/2020 - 10:44am. During times of antiquity many Aristocrats made claims to have descended from the gods to justify their position of authority. According to this story, the great mother goddess Cybele loved Attis, who was killed while hunting a wild boar. We also use pluralization in a different way, where we will pluralize only with three or more objects/subjects rather than with two or more. porphyros = purple Submitted by Miville (guest) on Fri, 08/21/2015 - 1:37am. Submitted by Serendip Visitor (guest) on Thu, 11/08/2012 - 1:29am. Most of the world has shades of brown eyes, while gray, blue, hazel, and green eyes are typically only found in people who are of European ancestry.Even among those of European descent, gray eyes are still far from common and can be found in people … In the Iliad as you eloquently pointed out ofcourse Achilles the hero is bright/blonde and Hector or Paris has dark enamelled hair... can you see the patterns of dark vs light which have not got to do with colour per se but with metrical cadence, poetic licence and most importantly the "us" vs "them" or good vs evil/stealers etc. Indians and Jews use charms with palm-forward hands with an eye in the center; Italians employ horns, phallic shapes meant to distract spell casters. The story goes that Leda gave birth to an egg, from which hatched Helen. Right, so we have a NON-Scientific approach which is completely unfounded - bravo! society. He is also considered the protector of human heralds, travellers, thieves, merchants, and orators. As the ideas of the ancient Greeks existed even before Plato so too did the ideas of Emmanuel Kant in German before he coined new terms for his philosophies. The stupid cow didn't realise that I was painting a view of the woods as they would appear at night. He is able to move quickly and freely between the worlds of the mortal and the divine, aided by his winged sandals. Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week. sanskrit => rudh-ir-a Submitted by Anonymous (guest) on Wed, 11/25/2009 - 11:53am. In "The Simpsons," Matt Groening portrays everyone with yellow skin. I remember my anthropology putting a yellow chair and a red chair in front of us, and asking us what color they were...then he said, if you asked a certain tribe of Native American (forget which), for the yellow chair, he would say "which one?" Can you really say Evolution has no Meaning . Submitted by Serendip Visitor (guest) on Sat, 05/24/2014 - 5:07pm. Submitted by Anonymous (guest) on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 1:56am. How do you describe what you see? For instance, Greeks typically have olive-colored skin which is a result of heritage, Mediterranean climate and a diet rich in olive oil, fish and other sources of skin-rejuvenating omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. Maybe they were, or maybe they weren't. Scientists have been able to confirm that all people with blue eyes have one common ancestor. So would "autumnal" or "earthy". Methinks the Ancient Greeks saw the colours all right, just our perceptions have changed, that's why "blue hair" seems to be out of place. Just so, if you point to a square on the color chart that's "White," we'll use a different term to describe a "white" horse, than we would to talk about the color chart. But all of my children mix up dark purple and black. There was no agreement on this or on his place of origin. While goddess Athena had glaukopis eyes, the dark-blue waters of the sea were kuaneos. Submitted by Ananda Triulzi on Mon, 11/27/2006 - 11:18am, Summer Institutes for K-12 Teachers 1995-2010, The Story of Evolution & the Evolution of Stories, Colour My World with Sunshine Yellow Each Day, Week 3--Going Against the Grain (and the Forest? *rudh- = [idea of "red"] Colors ranged "from dark, inky black to tawny to nearly clear" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece_and_wine#Greek_wine). What I’ve tried to do is include the biggies. All content copyright 2021, The Above Network, LLC. Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker. The truth is that many cultures see colors differently. I've heard that black people are green or yellow (although we say black even when they're brown). According to some of the 6th century Homeridae, the poet's name was Melesigenes or Melesianax. The metaphore is also ordinary: the common base between the wine and the sea at the sunset is (of course) the color (dark red) and the cultural justification for choosing the wine (there are lots of other red things suitable for the comparison) is that wine (with oil) was one of the most important foodstuff in Greece. Also, today around 25% of Greeks have blue or green eyes, so who i to say it was My daughter has soft green eyes with a dark ring and yellow specks. we will observe whether blue eyes and blond hair were considered to be common among the aristocrats (upper class) in ancient Greek and Roman society. It's plant colored. [32], wikipedia and my tradicion, greetings from Hellas. I have seen the sky in blue, grey, black, pink, yellow, and on an overcast evening, even orange (or perhaps a colour that I would more poetically describe as "copper"). Blue Eyes. Possibly hair dying was in vogue. This smells of the same 19th Century approach that the Germans used, for denigrating the modern Greeks... positing that all Ancient Greeks were blonde and blue-eyed and so the moderns were no longer heirs, (apparantly the Germans were heirs-apparent)... smack of "Aryanism?" proto-german => rod > rot (german) rhodos = pink/reddish pink, as in Rhododactylus Eos (from Homer = Rosy-fingered dawn) The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides a collaborative venue for free expression. Sensitive to Light. That is indeed the appearance of someone under the influence of wine. Remember, Atlantas perished during Greek Mythology and the Atlantians are the Pleiadians or fallen watchers. because in that culture both yellow and red were the same color...one was "dark yellow" (or their word for both colors) and the other was "light yellow." Dying hair blonde was a popular trend in ancient Rome: physical appeance of gods from different cultures, This example shows gods with light brown/graying hair, "Caitlyn for California" [Governor] Could be a Game Changer, Pentagon Whistleblower Warns of UFO Intelligence Failure with Tucker Carlson and Nick Pope, SpaceX returns four astronauts to Earth , First Nighttime Splashdown Since 1968, White Monkeys: White People Paid to Entertain Chinese People, This is What Happens if you Defund Police, Trick against fire face after touching with chilli hands, -@TH3WH17ERABB17- -Q- Questions. has the following results in different i.e. The Above Top Secret Web site is a wholly owned social content community of. etc, etc, etc... Hope to have been usefull to the discussion. I believe you are in error. Homer may simply, as my uncle does, have perceived blue and purple as being the same. Submitted by C. Gcl (guest) on Tue, 09/29/2015 - 12:09pm. If you pull up a picture of a nightingale, it's a nice brownish-gray that is the same color as some branches it sits on. Hermes (/ ˈ h ɜːr m iː z / ; Greek: Ἑρμῆς) is an Olympian deity in ancient Greek religion and mythology . - For example, hiding scissors is a very common tradition of the Greek brides, in order to protect themselves against matiasma. Submitted by Serendip Visitor on Wed, 08/19/2009 - 12:34pm. prasinos = green reason given). to describe shining brilliant colours. I am of the opinion that there were blondes in ancient Greek city states, as in any given modern population but they were not all blonde (no founder population here, thank goodness for genetic diversity). (no reason given), edit on 6-9-2017 by zazzafrazz because: (no reason given). If you've ever seen a person of Greek origin sporting a circular glass charm that shows a curious blue eye, then you've seen the classic Greek evil eye symbol -- the matiasma. greek => e-rudh-r-o-s > erythros How The Genetic Mutation Affected The OCA2 Gene And Resulted In The Birth Of Blue Eyes > red (english) Melanos = black, mauros = dark, Laughable to say the least because genetic studies show the continuance through Genetic studies and stability of certain markers (see Cavalli-Sforza and the like). Critics have long taken as self-referential[31] a passage in the Odyssey describing a blind bard, Demodocus, in the court of the Phaeacian king, who recounts stories of Troy to the shipwrecked Odysseus. xanthos = blonde/yellow I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think their perception of colour was no different to ours. Submitted by tom hamshere (guest) on Thu, 08/14/2014 - 4:03am. Well the Macedonians are part of the ancient Greek tribe called the Dorians. Gray eyes are also pretty isolated. In Greece and many other cultures that believe in the evil eye, the most popular colour is a deep blue, just like the Greek seas. Homer was blind. The earliest literature of Greek mythology came from the epic poet like Homer who lived around 850 B.C , Ancient Greek … Remote Ready Biology Learning Activities has 44 remote-ready activities, which work for either your classroom or remote teaching. To the best of my knowledge, Groening isn't colourblind. glaukos = blue, light blue And then, saying that "Greeks did not have words to call colours" you are not so right. Alexander the Great himself was Half Macedonian- and Half Epirote with blond wavy hair with one blue eye and one grey. Is someone's hair the color of wood or dry straw? If you have no words for color, you have to describe colors in terms of other things in your world. Do you still say the sea is dark wine colored? 'Brown', too, is nowadays considered a dull colour (not that I agree with that), even though originally it also meant 1shining, radiant'. When Homer speaks about "dark wine coloured sea" he only uses a poetical metaphore.. we have to suppose that he wants to describe the sea during a SUNSET... we can easily imply that, reading the passage of the Illiad. The word xanthos again pertains to the shining qualities rather than an actual colour and can range from red to brown to golden yellow. I suppose he could find some retinae lying about from 800-500 BC and perform a rod and cone analysis of the retina, which would be the scientific approach. It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker. After all he uses realistic colours in "Futurama," with the exception of Leela's hair (but she also had one large eye instead of two, like everyone else). This point espouses the ability of the ancient Greeks to finitely determine the seven colours of the visible spectrum of light (Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, and Violet). In Greek mythology, a little owl (Athene noctua) traditionally represents or accompanies Athena, the virgin goddess of wisdom, or Minerva, her syncretic incarnation in Roman mythology. Everyone is now a mixture of angel DNA / human DNA. In the modern world, we often group colours. The word Make-Donon is made up of two words from the ancient Greek ( Make- Tall Donon – people). One thing that bugs me about this whole thing is that we assume it's about color. Violet – Viola odorata Sacred to: To the god Ares and to Io, possibly Apollo. So I'd be leaning towards color blindness. The son of Cronus and Rhea, he is probably most famous for his infidelity to his sister and wife, Hera. Across languages and cultures, you can never translate exactly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguishing_blue_from_green_in_language. Autumnal describes a rich range of browns and yellows and reds. They can still distinguish the colours/shades and specify with language if they have to. the spartan helots were obtained from the northern tribes to the Lacedaimonians... see for eg. Try doing it with references to things you know, and you may well find yourself waxing Homeric. Plutarch , Diodorus of Sicily ect all state these facts. Submitted by Anonymous (guest) on Sun, 05/02/2010 - 2:04pm. Honey? As for calling the sky bronze, he'd be referring to the energy produced by the sky, so it comes out more as 'the sky was shining' than 'they sky was bronze'. The blondes reference here, are honey coloured (again Xanthos doesn't mean simply Bleach blonde... but light or rather fair... it's more akin to honey brown than it is to blonde). Submitted by Allan Masri (guest) on Thu, 03/09/2017 - 9:56pm. Aramaic doesn't differentiate between green and yellow either.
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